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Your Posts on beBee are 90% Pointless?

Your Posts on beBee are 90% Pointless?


 

One of the last posts of Jim Murray where he elaborated a theory that most of the content on social media is useless, actually prompted the writing of this post.

The world is drowning in useless content. Pointless blogs that are more self-indulgent than informative. ... The 90/10 Differential clearly states that 90% of digital content is crap and useless, mainly because it doesn’t get read and if it does it gets forgotten immediately. Some would argue that percentage is even higher.
Jim Murray

His words reminded me of the so-called Sturgeon's law originally known as Sturgeon's revelation - 90% of everything is crud. The last word is often quoted as 'crap'. This somewhat humorous aphorism means that most of anybody of published material, knowledge, or - more generally - of everything is worthless. 

Daniel Dennett, an American philosopher, considers Sturgeon's law as one of the general-purpose thinking tools that have proved itself in a wide variety of contexts. The ‘law‘ extends to most things in life including areas such as science and academia. 

For instance, a few years ago a subsequent verification of more than 50 peer-reviewed published studies in the field of cancer research showed that only 10% of all studies could be proven valid. That means almost 90% were flawed, yet published as valid.

Indeed, in the field of biomedical research, the vast majority of current published research findings are false, as John Ioannidis stated in his well-known paper. He charges that as much as 90% of the published medical information that doctors rely on is flawed. The results of many scientific studies are difficult or impossible to reproduce on a subsequent investigation largely due to positive-results bias. Not publishing the negative or inconclusive results leads to unnecessary repetitions of experiments already done. Such bad science not only addresses the safety and efficacy of medicines but also wastes an enormous amount of money spent on drug development based on false information.  

Consequently, if the provocative Ioannidis' claim is true can we say that the majority (I dare not say 90%) of researchers in the biomedical field conduct their research for reasons other than the pursuit of truth, and their research is influenced by pharmaceutical companies that have a large financial stake in the results?

 

Suppose that Sturgeon's distribution of quality is true, then 90% of architecture isn't good architecture. Frank Gehry once said that we live in a world where 98% of what’s built today is rubbish, or 'pure shit' in his words. "There's no sense of design nor respect for humanity or anything. They're bad buildings, and that's it." Comparing to buildings dating back hundreds of years that still leave people in a state of admiration and disbelief of how they were built all those years ago, maybe he is right. 

Although he implicitly exempted himself from that 98%, the ‘law‘ says that only 10% of his buildings isn't crud. A lot of his critics would agree with that ratio.

Many architects are frustrated with the fact that architecture today is nothing more than business. Some would argue it is about 90% business, meaning - clients, their taste and money, and only 10% design. And it is true for the starchitects as it is for the ordinary mortals in that profession. Money makes the world (and architecture) go around.

Back to the useless digital content and self-indulgent blogs from the beginning of the post. With that in mind, the obvious question then is: How much of what I produced on this platform is crud? Well, I certainly hope it is much less than 90%, and that in my 21 posts readers would find more than 2 of them to be 'not crud'. My ego tells me that I managed to beat Sturgeon’s law. Or maybe it is my inflated self-assessments?

Whether or not we agree with the adage that ninety per cent of everything is crud, Sturgeon's law holds water when it comes to media. But as always, what is or isn't crud depends on the eye of the beholder.
 

Reversing Sturgeon's Law

Sturgeon's law is quite pessimistic. The often forgotten part of Theodore Sturgeon's quote is more optimistic -  it’s the 10% that isn’t crud that is important. There is a great deal of deplorable stuff, of all sorts in any field. Instead of focusing on poor examples, make sure you concentrate on the best stuff. If not, you will probably fail to notice the 10% which deserves our attention.

Therefore, I am a relentless proponent of reverse Sturgeon's law: 10% of everything is amazing. 

Also, life is not only black and white, crud and non-crud, worthless and top stuff. Among 90% of what's considering crud, there are many shades of cruddiness. There is a difference between poor writing and actually cruddy content that's not worth reading: pointless listicles, posts with missing or misleading facts, bad and useless advice. After all, something that one person considers worthless may be considered valuable by someone else.

My blog posts probably are not all good, but those good are what matters. I am in the process of continuous improvement.  
 

                                                                                                      ~ ~ ~

 

Author's Note: Although I feel I have written a good post, I apologise to my reader if this is just another pointless content. :)
 

                                                                                                       ~ ~ ~ 
 

 

Title Image:  Plastic trash collected on the Oregon Coast transformed into spectacular art displays - from beach trash to ocean art.

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Paul Walters

Paul Walters

4 months ago #97

@Lada 🏡 Prkic   Even better second time around.

Franci 🐝Eugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador

This is one of those posts that is even better the second time around @Lada 🏡 Prkic! I agree with @Neil Smith, it's the 10% that matters. Also, consistency plays a major role for the writer, and loyalty is necessary from the reader. 

Neil Smith

Neil Smith

4 months ago #95

I'm definitely of the opinion that it's the 10% that matters. You have to kiss a lot of frogs before you find a Prince. 

Lyon Brave

Lyon Brave

9 months ago #94

Yeah, I keep feeling like I am absolutely wasting my time on social media.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

1 year ago #93

testing

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #92

#113
Dear Praveen, to listen and respond to all our connections is "mission impossible". Some Bees try to do that by engaging to almost every post and responding to every comment promptly as if actually they live here. :) For me, social media is a place to visit not to live in. You are more than a good friend to me regarding responding to my posts. Thank you.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #91

#103
Roberto, I post rarely (25 posts in three years). Although it is said that quality is more important than quality, this is not always the case. Some bloggers post a ton of stuff and despite that deliver value. In writing, you need both quantity and quality. Through the process of producing quantity you improve the quality of your writing. As I said, I post rarely but write many drafts that wait to see the light of day. :)

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #90

#104
Praveen, I am thankful for the beBee friends like you. Thanks for making 100th comment. :-)

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #89

#105
Thank you, and thanks for the information message about your book on LinkedIn.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #88

#100
I meant but, not then. :)

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #87

#102
Thank you, Kevin Pashuk. I'm sorry to hear that Jim's magic hasn't worked on you. :) It's good to see you. We miss your presence on beBee.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #86

#101
Thanks, Tausif. I said many times that I'm more of an observer than a participant when it comes to social media. In several of my posts on beBee, I tried to be vocal enough about what I noticed on this platform. This post and a post about empty praising (beBee, a Hive for Praise) are among most commenting. As Feynman discussed, there is no authority who decides what is a good idea. That said, everyone has an opinion of what is good content. Listicles are pointless to me but not for many others who like and share such articles. Surprisingly, listicles work very well on social media. Everyone's 10% is different. :)

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #85

#100
Paul, what to say then big Thank You. 😊

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

2 years ago #84

Oftentimes, many get inspired from in-between the lines out of content crud. Excellent post.

Kevin Pashuk

Kevin Pashuk

2 years ago #83

This post is definitely in the top 10% Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic guy... he's been known to inspire people writing posts, although his magic hasn't worked on me of late.

Paul Walters

Paul Walters

2 years ago #82

Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic I think I said it before but I'll say it again. Crud Nah ! Mr Stugeon's philosophies certainly do not apply to you

Claire L Cardwell

Claire L Cardwell

2 years ago #81

#98
Wow Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic !

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #80

#89
Thanks, Claire. You're in the top 1%. :)

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #79

#90
Thank you, Bernard. Glad to see you in the comment stream.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #78

#78
Michael, in a way, your comment is an addition to your article about WWW. I like your definition of the Web as the most powerful, broadly distributed publishing house in existence. So are the blogging platforms. Ideas around blogging are very egalitarian. Although the blogging platform is for everyone who wants to put thoughts into words or reach out expressing themselves, I would like people to think twice before posting. Not every idea or every little detail of their lives is worth writing about. :) And yes, there's an awful lot of good stuff on the Web if we dig deeply enough.

Claire L Cardwell

Claire L Cardwell

2 years ago #77

#94
Phil Friedman what will they think of next at Dr Google? I've been trying for weeks to get a copy of DIYFrontalLobotomy without any success.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

2 years ago #76

#93
Claire L Cardwell -- latest app: DIYAppendixRemoval. Includes a stand for your smartphone so it can be used as a camera to view you self-surgery on a TV monitor. Even has a series of exercises to follow to learn how to view your own movements with a scalpel in reverse. And a jar filled with formaldehyde so you can later take a "selfie" with your appendix. Cheers!

Claire L Cardwell

Claire L Cardwell

2 years ago #75

#92
Phil Friedman MyArchApp sounds great ! Or so some of my clients think. I have two at the moment who are so busy designing the structure (floorplan) that they have forgotten to involve me... One of them works for a very large reputable British 4 x 4 company - his job is to fix stuff and to make things happen. That's great, but he ain't a designer! I am thinking of asking him to fix the exhaust on my car, it's not a 4 x 4 and my car is Japanese (maybe then he'll get it).

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

2 years ago #74

#91
Claire L Cardwell -- You guys (metaphorically speaking), are mired in the "old school" of quality and pride in one's work. Get with it. Now, you only need the right "app"... MyArchApp or QuickEngineer, for example. Study, schmudy. Degree, schmegree. Who cares. Buy the right app and be an engineer or an architect ten minutes later. Or a writer. Cheers!

Claire L Cardwell

Claire L Cardwell

2 years ago #73

#67
Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic - this discussion is starting to remind me of my Philosophy of Science lectures (dare I say it - 30 years ago!). Karl Popper, shifting paradigms and Popper's Law all sprung back into my memory - https://www.iep.utm.edu/pop-sci/ Re Architecture - I have been so shocked recently by the quality of the drawings I have been shown. The last one was like a pretty coloured in line in the sand. So apart from cookie cutter architecture (which you know I hate) we now have drawings that are considerably less detailed than the scrawls I put into my notebooks on site. How these drawings are even accepted at Council is a mystery to me. Then of course the builder and the structural engineer get the blame. Even though they have no doubt pointed out to the client that you can not build something with sketch or concept drawings. I've got to the stage when I think I have to hold a seminar/webinar for some of the people I've been working with. Fixing other people's crud is worse than playing in shit (I went to farm school when I was 18) - at least with that shit you could keep your feet warm whilst you figured out how to find truffles.

Claire L Cardwell

Claire L Cardwell

2 years ago #72

#26
Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic - your posts are always insightful and beautifully written. I was always told that an empty pot makes the loudest noise! So don't pay any heed to the naysayers. The quality of your writing is so much better than 90% of the native English speakers content! So that puts you in the top 3% in my view...

Claire L Cardwell

Claire L Cardwell

2 years ago #71

#21
Debasish Majumder - excellent point - but remember 'you can't make a fire with gold'...

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #70

#84
Thank you Jerry. It means a lot to me. I usually post once in a few months, and maybe it's the reason my posts have high engagement rates.😁😉

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #69

#85
If less than 10% of research studies are worthwhile we should all be very worried. :( As for pointless articles on beBee, I don't think that complimenting is the reason. Many write and publish despite almost zero engagement with their posts. Producer is one of many free blogging platforms where people try to express or promote themselves. The blogging platform is for everyone who wants to put thoughts into words. As you always say, the audience decides. I use the thumb up button or mute button.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

2 years ago #68

Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic, you make some good points, not the least of which is that of the research and though spewed, 10% is worthwhile. In fact, that seems like a lot to me that is worthwhile. We tend to cling to a romantic and unrealistic vision of scientific research of the past. Well think about Piltdown Man. Or witness the shenanigans of the highly competitive engineers and inventors involved in the early harnessing of electrical energy. Or the Robber Barons of the Industrial Revolution. If 90% of what appears on beBee is pointless, that is because so many of us continue to read and compliment it (or maybe don't read it but compliment it anyway). And consequently, no standards have emerged, while so many have been encouraged to write and publish drivel. Of course, that is what the platform ownership wants... quantity, not quality. For quantify is what paves the way to the golden exit. Cheers!

Jerry Fletcher

Jerry Fletcher

2 years ago #67

Lada, You don't post frequently, but when you do it is well within the 10%. I look forward to seeing your byline ever time. And so it goes.

Javier 🐝 CR

Javier 🐝 CR

2 years ago #66

#81
🤩🤩🤩😂😂😂👍👍👍👍

Joyce 🐝 Bowen Brand Ambassador @ beBee

#80
So did I. Until I learned science is no longer science. Science has been replaced by marketing.

Bill Stankiewicz, 🐝 Brand Ambassador

Yep, I agree here 99% of the time

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #63

#77
Thanks, Joyce, and for the share too. I also became sceptical about research studies and the validity of scientific findings, and take them with a grain of salt. But I have trust in science.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #62

#74
Thank you, Franci. There's no better compliment to my writing. :)

Joyce 🐝 Bowen Brand Ambassador @ beBee

The science that is produced that is seen as jogging the apple cart is being pulled all over. Articles are disappearing right and left. It's probably more like 95% that are generated by those looking to sell you something. I've stopped listening to those folks. Great article, Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic!!

Javier 🐝 CR

Javier 🐝 CR

2 years ago #60

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bebee.com/amp/producer/@javierbebee/1-99-rule

Javier 🐝 CR

Javier 🐝 CR

2 years ago #59

I agree. 90% .... usually 99% ;). 

Franci 🐝Eugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador

Reading, like art, is in the eye of the beholder. Your posts are always worth my time Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic. I'm glad this post came back around.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #57

#72
Thank you for reading and commenting, Kevin. I appreciate it. As you said, we can't read everything everyone writes. I am more than grateful if someone has read my article and think it's meaningful and worth commenting.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

2 years ago #56

#67
I appreciate contrarian views. But the defensive view and the contrarian view look very similar. The defensive view meaning you are right and i am wrong. A contrarian view would offer me the needed thoughts to bridge my thinking over to a different perspective. Its ok to say i am wrong. But you have to offer up something other than facts that offer up my wrongness as a straw-man to butcher. When i experience a contrarian opinion, i wish to probe. Bring me to where you are so that i might see what you see. In most cases i find its really not a contrarian view but rather a position that is being defended. Its not always understood why the individaul needs folks to know this very personal view but it is presented as everyone should have the same thought. Intriguing dialogue that furthers ones own personal views is always engaging. The differences can be shared from a contrarian view as long as the view is offering bridges to a new perspective. My thought is that Phil has a more engaging opinion on these thoughts based on his background. But my view is that we can expand each other’s views through building bridges within contrarian dialogue. Defending a view is neither helpful to others nor is it engaging. Its just a fence post in a long line of other posts that never moves nor invites dialogue. It just stands. Great dialogue and thoughts here. Thanks for inviting the dialogue.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #55

#69
You're right Timothy. Generalisation of any kind is, to say the least - problematic. People tend to draw conclusions about many things in life from a limited amount of experience. Sturgeon's law, the Pareto principle (80/20 rule) and other such rules, often interpret literally with the false mathematical precision.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #54

#38
Thanks, John. Hope all is well with you. You share almost the same thought about your disappointment with social media as in your comment on my last post about excessive praising. I summed up both as follows: 1. Articles that repeat what's been said over and over again. 2. Lack of meaningful discussions. 3. Lack of contrarian thinkers that would make things more interesting. 4. Discussions come down to people making drive-by comments. 5. Mindless back and forth chatter between individuals giving themselves each a high verbal five. I would like to hear what Phil Friedman have to say on that especially about the lack of the contrarian point of view about the world and business today. I agree that we need more contrarian point of view to push things forward, but not people who disagree just for the sake of disagreement. It's immensely hard to change your mindset if you are not open to constructive feedback.

Lyon Brave

Lyon Brave

2 years ago #53

awwwwww....90% crap sounds right

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #52

#60
Thank you kind Sir! ☺️

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

2 years ago #51

#63
The post on Split has a few synapses hard wired as a place of comfort and discovery. I enjoy posts that allow me to experience someone else's fish bowl as my own is very comfortable but i sense there is more than one fish bowl on the planet. For a few words i get to enjoy what others view within their own fish bowl. Agreement is not necessary for the view, but rather, just a world view from a different tank. Thanks for sharing your fish bowl of Split.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #50

#52
Harvey, as always you brought a different perspective to the discussion. There is no such thing as "crud-meter" to tell people what's worthless. It is all matter of perspective and personal inclination. As proven many times, crud is in the eye of the beholder. With that in mind, 10% of the not-crud stuff could actually represent the whole spectre of cruddiness because everyone's ten per cent is different. Thank you for enriching the discussion with your thoughts. P.S. I'm glad you remember my post about Split.

Paul Walters

Paul Walters

2 years ago #49

Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic Bravo madam !! an excellent piece and oh so positive! you are right 10% of content is indeed amazing !!!

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #48

#50
Jerry, I must admit I never heard of the find-the-pony phrase before. Like an optimist son from the joke who find value or good where none is evident, I believe that there is much more than 10% of the worthwhile stuff that deserved to be found. How deep you are going to dig to find the gold nugget depends on each person. Thanks for joining the discussion and for the kind words.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #47

#49
I'm so glad to see your comment on my post, Don. Thank you for the kind words. There are so many amazing things in our lives we do not notice. And I didn't mean my post. :-)

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #46

#48
Dear Jennifer, your blog also disproved the law. :) As Franci\ud83d\udc1dEugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador said in the comment below we never know what kind of treasure we can find checking on a buzz by a newbee author. You've proved your quality as a writer from the start.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #45

#47
My thoughts also about the discussion, Zacharias. I think the audience decided about the post. :-)

Franci 🐝Eugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador

No crud in your posts Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic. Wow, what a worthwhile find! There is only so much time I want to spend on social media so I look for quality. Posts on politics and religions, I pass. Memes, rants, quotes, sayings, and useless blather, I pass. Dunno the percentage of 5-star reading vs. crud but I feel crud takes the lead, whether black, white, gray etc.

John Rylance

John Rylance

2 years ago #43

In the spirit of this post, in view of all the comments, could someon tell me which is the 10%, that I should be reading. I have "almost lost the will to live" in trying to sort the "wheat from the chaff". Is it 10% of all the submission, is the 10% hidden in "one pearl of wisdom", or 10% of each offering?????? I suppose 90% of what I have just typed has overloaded the "crud alert button"

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

2 years ago #42

Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic 33.346% of all percentages are made up. This is the running joke between my database manager and me. Everytime we hear statistics or percentages we merely look at each other and smile. With this one i would guess that it is a matter of perspective. I read some offbeat stuff not because it's great content but because it tells me about a culture i have not visited. (Split was a great one:) We could use this same analogy in the candy store. Everyone that walked in would say that 90% of the candy is worthless. Their ten percent would be all they needed. But everyone's ten percent is different. When we add up a few thousand customers the 10% represents the whole of the candy store owners business. Ten percent of the posts are written for me to understand, ninety percent of them are written to other people i don't know. There is still something for me to learn though. Great post as always.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #41

#29
Ken, I always put your words not in 10% basket but in 1% basket, which is 10% of 10% if we think of Sturgeon's law as a recursive law. Obviously, we can't use the same standards to categorise 90% of everything in the field as crud. Sturgeon's law is a figurative expression that is understood literally giving it false mathematical precision. Nevertheless, it is accepted as a general guideline in evaluating quality in many areas. I took biomedical science as a clear example in which the proportion of bad to good science could be somewhat "measured" based on the relevant data such as Prof. Ioannidis' paper. I concur with what you said about architecture and extensive use of templates. I thought to mention construction and civil engineers, but we are just "mere" executors of architects' dream. :) There's a saying: If a building looks good, everyone appreciates the architect. If not, or something went wrong, everyone blames the civil engineer.

Jerry Fletcher

Jerry Fletcher

2 years ago #40

Lada, Just like a client said on seeing an edit of his first video, "I really didn't think there was a pony in there but you found it!" Thank you for putting this so eloquently. Those of us that dive into crud filled places with a shovel are with you on this one. The problem is it takes so much time ot find the good stuff that it is hard to find time to experience it and do something with it.

don kerr

don kerr

2 years ago #39

Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic My visits to beBee are infrequent since being drummed out. Rest assured that this was not a wasted effort nor crud. Clearly part of the 10% of wonder that we can see in our lives if we just stop and notice.

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

2 years ago #38

Even if by some bizarre criterion this post is considered crud by Sturgeon, the discussion that spawned from it is definitely stellar!

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #37

#41
Interesting reflection, Preston. If you put things in such a context, then there's no crud. I always look for the good in people, but lots of social media contents are indeed useless and have no value. You can't find a microscopic-size gold nugget no matter how deep you dig. :-)

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #36

#36
Gert Scholtz. Gert, thanks as always for commenting on my posts. Your scientific approach reminded me of a funny banker parable. :-))

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #35

#30
Thanks Mohammed. I'm also glad to see many thought-provoking comments.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#41
Preston \ud83d\udc1d Vander Ven- Thank you and I accept and approve your comment. There is a saying" somebody's waste is somebody's else starting material". Well-said my friend.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #33

#24
#40 Praveen, your memory is exceptional. The comments are more than 90% similar. :-) First, I like your comparison of readers with bees who suck the honey wherever available and move on if there's none. The Internet is like an endless meadow. But there are plants and flowers that repel bees, just like contents that not attract readers. :) You said we need to exercise our power of discrimination when it comes to what we want to read. We all do that every day when selectively read newspapers because of limited time for reading. I often practise glancing at the post headlines and a few first sentences before deciding what to read. Discriminating reading is definitely a topic that I'm going to explore more.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #32

#31
Ken, thank you for enriching the thread with such elaborated and on-topic comment. I'll respond to your first comment, too. The post title may seem somewhat harsh, but it just follows the premise of the mentioned 'law' and also leans on Jim's post which was an inspiration for pointless blogs. As Jim said in the comment, it doesn't mean that 90% of each individual's posts are rubbish, although that might apply in certain cases. Some people do good stuff most of the time and some not so much. The other thing is how much of that 'good stuff' possibly interesting to us we noticed and read. Among 10% of posts which is considered good, there are also topics which are not of my great interest, such as poetry. Also, the quality of published content cannot always be measured in numbers (likes, shares and comments). Getting a group of people to agree on what content is good, is a difficult task. We all decide based on our own needs and tastes, but also (what is evident on beBee) we mostly rely on the writer's authority, and we assume in advance that his/her content is good. Most time it does, but not always. I am with Zacharia's comment on Feynman's quote that there is no authority who decides what is a good idea. If so, then there is no authority but yourself.

John Prpich

John Prpich

2 years ago #31

Good day Lada, hope you are well. Your article is important to me because I came to realize a while back that most of the content I see posted amounts to a lot of white noise. For that reason and that reason only I stopped posting. We are becoming very self-indulgent and repetitive. I can't even count the number of times I've read articles that repeat what's been said over and over again. LinkedIn is a perfect example where that happens day in and day out. It's unfortunate that there aren't more contrarian thinkers, that would make things more interesting. What also irritates me is the mindless back and forth chatter between individuals giving themselves each a high verbal five. This is another example of how the internet is a double-edged sword. I rarely see discussion on topics just people making drive-by comments. At the end of the day, it simply becomes another time waster.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#33
Zacharias \ud83d\udc1d Voulgaris- a great quote indeed

Gert Scholtz

Gert Scholtz

2 years ago #29

Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic A very good post, Lada - I enjoyed reading it. Many have given some fine comments below, to which I can only add my own scientific reflection: Ten percent of what I write is good, the other half is pointless :)

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #28

#20
And I forgot to add the level of the knowledge to be able to evaluate the content.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #27

#20
Thank you Deabsish for the kind words and sharing. If I may say a different opinion, I don't think we are too insignificant to judge whether contents are pointless or to the point. It's all about different tastes, sense of value, and personal inclination. What's valuable or worthless to me doesn't have to be for someone else.

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

2 years ago #26

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee, or as Prof. Feynman said, "there is no "authority" who decides what is a good idea."

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #25

:#19 Yes, following the "law", Sturgeon law itself is 90% crud. :-) What Sturgeon said is based on practice rather than theory. In the field of science, it is somewhat possible to "measure" the proportion of crud to non-crud based on the relevant data such as Prof. Ioannidis' paper. In the other areas, the same proportion accepted as a general guideline, based on experience or common knowledge. No one really does think that the distribution of quality is exact 90:10 but it gives a rough picture.

Ken Boddie

Ken Boddie

2 years ago #24

Following on from my monotonous monologue below, Lada, let's now get to the dirt on the concept of 'Pointless Posts'. Writing is a personal thing and, unlike some of those who are paid for their labour, I believe that we all have the ability, if not the need, to write (some perhaps more capably, clearly and carefully than others), but let's not discriminate on what others may choose as their subject matter, however capably, clearly and carefully they may or may not be. Surely, with the subjective and individually different communication tools that we use when formulating and publishing our posts or blogs, the subject matter will vary extensively, as will the readership, with some (both writers and readers) perhaps being drawn to various work-related subject matter, some to philosophical treatises or hypotheses, some to poetry, some to entertainment with a whiff of comedy, and some to the music and/or literature of others. Personally, I crudely guestimate that my interest is peaked by possibly much less than 10% of the posts published on beBee, but that doesn't mean that the balance of posts (let's say way more than 90%) going unread by me are rubbish. Nor does it mean that those posts which, for whatever multitudinous reasons, are not read by the many hard core bees who either flit around from hive to hive or dwell in specific hives, are rubbish. In my case the 'great unread' just don't fit into my own specifically distorted mind frame of 'essential reading', the definition of which is wholly and subjectively (and perhaps incorrectly in many instances) based on my own needs and wants, likes and tastes. Thanks for the stimulation, Lada.

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

2 years ago #23

Good precepts to ponder again and again! Great post!

Ken Boddie

Ken Boddie

2 years ago #22

You certainly have a few things rolled into one thought-provoking post here, Lada, but I'm not sure they can all be tarred with the same 90:10 brush (although the generic 80:20 rule was more prevalent in my day). Here are my thoughts, for what they're worth, and you can put them in the 90% or 10% basket. "Money [or rather the lust to acquire it, keep it, or hyperbolically increase it] makes the world go round", of that there is no doubt ..... and therein lies the problem with major drug companies and meaningful research (or lack of it). Safety and quality very often come at the expense of the bottom line (ie money). Then there's the need for competitors to keep prices down in order to keep getting work in the door. In a world where many buyers don't really understand what they really need and hence forego (or can't afford) the benefit of good and sage advice and expertise, most purchasers (perhaps 90% or 80%?) can therefore only differentiate on price alone. This is where the template is used time and again, often to the detriment of the end user, as proponents of the template often do not fine tune it to the case in hand. Your poor architecture would, I propose, be a good example of templates being used extensively by builders after the original design was drawn up. Furthermore, the template in this case is often purposely assembled for mass duplication and therefore suffers from lack of appropriate detailing to suit the buyer's specific needs, and those of the location and site, while utilising readily acquirable materials. 'Form' letters from our major institutions, in response to our specific complaints, also fall into the template category, as few respondents these days appear to be able to formulate an apology or offer of reconciliation to successfully meet the complainant's particular case in hand. Continued due to the word count limitation of the beBee comment.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #21

#18
Pascal you've made me smile. My inner critic is much harsher. :-)

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #20

#14
Not that I think I brought out my inner genius in writing. I unleashed my passion for writing. :)

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #19

#14
Thank you, dear Savvy, for a poetic comment. Many people underestimate their ability and never encourage themselves to bring out the inner genius. I was one of those people when it comes to writing for the public. Fear of failure and criticism hold us back because those who criticise are the loudest. :)

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #18

#14
Thank you, dear Savy, for a poetic comment. Many people underestimate their ability and never encourage themselves to bring out the inner genius. I was one of those people when it comes to writing for the public. Fear of failure and criticism hold us back because those who criticise are the loudest. :)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

I agree with you dear Debasish Majumder. Sometimes a crud post may trigger a great idea. It depends how we react to them. If I curse the wasted time then this becomes a dead end. If I take it lightly it might relax my mind and trigger a creative idea. Many times what seemed stupid idea sparked creative solutions.

Debasish Majumder

Debasish Majumder

2 years ago #16

#1
your comment sir Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee trigger me to once more ponder to Robert Frost's poem, where the poet's dilemma reveals which road he may adopt in between two roads he confront. surely the choice make a different destination and one can be bestow with gold while other may turn into charcoal! it is perhaps called the tryst with destiny. i firmly believe that it is the available condition which influence one to produce content and no body perhaps can envisage whether he is producing in golden moment or a trashy moment. but, both having the potential to change into something special in character, depending about the circumstances he or she is confronting with. however, you never cease me to amaze how you capable to retain your golden hue in your buzzes as well comments. thank you for such ;lovely illuminating comment sir.

Debasish Majumder

Debasish Majumder

2 years ago #15

we are too insignificant to judge whether contents are pointless or to the point. but to me Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic your content is extremely informative and helpful for me. as there is nothing absolute in nature, i guess, contents too with flaws are natural, but it perhaps navigate people to reach nearly flawless and thus research works roll on. however, wonderful buzz. enjoyed read and shared. thank you very much for the buzz.

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

2 years ago #14

It's quite possible that among that 90% of crud information (if you can call it that) is that Sturgeon's law aphorism. After all, there is no data referenced for this conclusion, while Prof. Ioannidis' paper refers to a very specific kind of information and provides a verifiable explanation for his conclusion. Besides, what constitutes "crud" and what is acceptable, according to this "law"? Without proper definitions, justifications, and some verifiable predictions, I'm inclined to think that this law is crud, along with the stuff it condemns. Of course, unlike this Sturgeon guy, I'm open to be proven wrong, since my stance on this topic is just my own view and I don't need to give it some fancy name in order to put it forward. Cheers

Pascal Derrien

Pascal Derrien

2 years ago #13

I think there was a time when even the 10%ers would have had no place to “publish” their articles in a sense social Media has democratized writing and to me it is valuable and like anything in life it comes with a price called mediocrity but sometimes it is only apprenticeships as we all have to dart somewhere 😉 this one is in the top 5% 😉

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #12

#10
Thank you, Steve Wertheimer, and welcome to beBee. It's always nice to see a new face in the comment thread. Here, on this platform, you'll surely find contents that worth your time. You can start with reading blogs of all the commenters in this thread. They are excellent writers and thinkers. Am so glad you think of my post as a nice little nugget. :)

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #11

#9
Glad to see you, Phil. We have both been less active on beBee lately. Thank you as always for your kind words about my writing. Like I said in the post, I am in the process of continuous improvement. On the other side, your posts and your knowledge totally disproved the Sturgeon's distribution of quality. :)

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #10

Glad to see you, Phil. We have both been less active on beBee lately. Thank you as always for your kind words about my writing. Like I said in the post, I am in the process of continuous improvement. On the other side, your posts and your knowledge disproved the Sturgeon's distribution of quality.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

2 years ago #9

Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic, I look at it this way: Even if only 10% of what written and published is not crud, I still don't have enough time in a lifetime to read and ponder all of it. So the fact is it matters not, as long as I do not confuse crud with gold and spend my time with crud. I read your posts because I know the probability of running into some worthwhile ideas is very high. And I'm good with that. Cheers!

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #8

#6
While searching the web for the topic, I also found that article which explores its iterative nature and the fallacy of subpopulation. Sturgeon's law is not a scientific law - it's more an empirical rule of thumb that points to a lot of mediocre and poorly done works in every field, which is more than evident. Ted Sturgeon's speech, from which the quote derived, has a good moral and that is not to waste time attacking a strawman. As Daniel Dennett says: Go after the good stuff or leave it alone.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #7

#5
Thanks, Jim. As I said, your post was an inspiration for this post about Sturgeon's law. I am not a fan of generalisation, and the distribution of quality surely can't be uniform irrespective of what field we are talking about. However, Sturgeon's law has proved itself in a wide variety of situations although in somewhat different proportion.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

2 years ago #6

Couple of things. If 90% of everything is pointless then 90% of Sturgeon's Law does not have a point. The following Wiki writer goes one step further he offers to disprove this law http://wiki.c2.com/?SturgeonsLawDisproved and results in creating a fine flow of thinking. I do think that the act of pointlessness has a point. In this Huffington Post article Stephenie Zamora delves into the point of pointlessness. If I am here to explore and experiment with my own thinking then I have no point to prove or a point to make, but maybe it is easier to prove that 90% of everything does have a point and much harder to prove that 10% of everything has no point. We can't know that because we are not mind readers unless it is clear in a stated intent. That people share all manner of stuff making digital a social extension of themselves is something that I genuinely find bemusing, if only for the fact that it makes a mockery of privacy and therefore why work on privacy design when the majority of people are putting their entire lives on a platter for digital analytics to consume. In a world where everyone is sharing it does not mean that everyone wants to think, indeed we are conditioned by marketing and leadership processes to favour cookie cutters and formulas and templates or some very basic 4 x 4 model that simplifies or reduces the onerous act of difficult thinking. That is why people who promote personal brand are on a winning strategy because the entire complex of thought built around us favours short-term thinking, soundbites and personification - because the underlying groupthink is creating judgemental response or reaction. So we spend our existence worrying about what others are doing and that can only lead to paranoia setting in to fear that maybe we too are like them. One thing we the people who travel on the road less traveled can be sure of is that we are not like them - but we are not like those that are the 1% either.

Jim Murray

Jim Murray

2 years ago #5

Hi Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic. This post is not crud or crap or do doo of any sort. But I just wanted to clarify one point. When I said 90% of everything is crap, this was a broad sweeping generalization on purpose. It doesn't mean that 90% of each individual's posts are crap, although that might apply in certain cases. Some people do good stuff most of the time. Others, not so much. The 90% number is a universal average. But I would say that you could infer from that that 90% of the people who post on social media post crap most or all of the time...but then that get's kinda crazy,. doesn't it?

Jim Murray

Jim Murray

2 years ago #4

This post was not crud or crap. It was actually q

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #3

#1
Thank you, dear Ali. What amazes me is how you always find the right words to appreciate someone's work. I agree with you - there's gold even in cruddiness.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #2

Thank you, dear Ali. What amazes me is how you always find the right words to appreciate someone's work. I agree with you - there's gold even in cruddiness.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Great read this evening dear Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic. May be this is also the Law of Life. If we dig for gold in what percentages we find gold? Gold-like buzzes are rarity. However; it is in the straw of articles that we may find the golden needle. A thought-provocative buzz and so I shared it.

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