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beBee, a Scammy Social Network??

beBee, a Scammy Social Network??A Scammy
Social Network?


While I searched the Web for some data, I came across an article that characterized beBee as a聽scam聽website.聽

After that, I found a Wikipedia article and was unpleasantly surprised to read the same thing about my favourite social network.

According to Wikipedia, beBee is a scammy social network.

beBee was聽well known on Indeed and Linkedin platforms for publishing tens of thousands of time the same job descriptions in many different cities, so they can have a long list of applicants on which they get to join their website, go through a 45 minutes long profile to fill in and then request payment at the end for a job that often, does not exist. They are classified as a scam on Trustpilot, Reddit, Glassdoor. Meanwhile, Linkedin was able to crack down on them so many of their fake job offers don't appear a lot in 2020, compared to 2018 and 2019.
Wikipedia

It seems as if there are two beBee's, one I am on for almost four years that encourages the sharing of knowledge and interests and聽the other one I knew nothing about. Many of us who use beBee as the blogging platform don't know anything about the recruiting business of beBee.

I have found many seriously negative reviews on Trustpilot and Reddit about job posting on beBee. According to these and several more websites, beBee聽has also been criticised for having job postings that require payment for applying to.聽

My question is: Would you continue to be on beBee despite the above?

Although being surprised by what I have read, I am here for the people I have met and consider my online friends.聽beBee has lost the charm it had in the beginning. The management's goal to聽have 40 million users by 2018 was not achieved聽(beBee had 13 million members in September 2019). The given promises to improve the platform have not been fulfilled.

But, still, there are a few "regular interactive players" (words of聽Ken Boddie) that make all the writing and commenting effort worthwhile.

I will continue to be on beBee,聽hoping my enthusiasm with this platform and its small engaging community last.聽

As for the recruiting service, I hope the management has read the reviews and will improve their聽business practice. 聽

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Javier 馃悵 CR

Javier 馃悵 CR

9 months ago #43

That was an attack on bebee by former employees on the wikipedia text. That is all.

Lyon Brave

Lyon Brave

9 months ago #42

I think the way beBee started it's network promising a cut of the revenue and making people ambassadors just to draw them in was pretty scamy. In the early phases of bebee I got promised certain things to write for bebee, they even asked to see my ID and sent documents from a lawyer. Then when none of that happened I got off beBee and I was actually asked to put my profile photos backup. Obviously they wanted me to contribute to the community, but they did not keep any of their initial promises so I think that's pretty shady. Javier \ud83d\udc1d CR

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

1 year ago #41

#46
Yes, despite negativism, there are still humming bees that keep the platform buzzing with their inspirational content.

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

1 year ago #40

#45
I don't want to highlight only negative things, but lately, there are more and more such things you mentioned that affect overall users' satisfaction with this platform. And despite all of that, many of us continue to post and interact with other users. For me, it is a sign that positive things still prevail over negative. :)

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

1 year ago #39

#44
And when we see others' stupidity in the comments section, we remain helpless and can't even delete it except clicking on the minus sign to show our dislike. Sadly, when spammers follow us, there's no option, from beBee, to unfollow them. May be seeing the spellcasters on beBee, fortune-tellers will soon turn up with their fantasies and fallacies.:)

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

1 year ago #38

#40
Mohammed, the comment below is an excellent example of those "advertisers" who have flooded the platform. Spellcasters are the most persistent. We can expect fortune-tellers soon. :)

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

1 year ago #37

#40
Yes, the platform has become a magnet for a variety of advertisers. I often ask myself, does anyone read such contents? Not to mention their irrelevant remarks in the comment sections. If the management wants to increase traffic, then they have succeeded. But what about the quality of the platform?

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

1 year ago #36

Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic Thanks so much for highlighting so many negativism that we, nowadays, find on beBee. Presumably, impolite, rude users are misusing this precious platform. Sometimes, one finds beBee bombarded with spammers, shadowy profiles and sickening content. And when users post their nasty advertisement text or irrelevant remarks in the 'comments' section, then there's no way to delete those vain stuff.

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

1 year ago #35

#38
Paul Walters Thank you for the kind words, Paul. This post was written along the way while I was finishing another draft. I hope management read what users have to say to them though I'm not sure they bother listening. :( It's not up to us to run the platform, but it is good to get user feedback. As for offensive language, every platform has its Philpotts. Unfortunately, something happened to him because he was a completely different person in the beginning before turning to conspiracy theories. I feel sorry for him.

Paul Walters

Paul Walters

1 year ago #34

Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic Another well-crafted piece as always. I trust management read it!! Yup, I get the feeling that the platform is on the slippery slope given the quality of the content posted. Also its time we got people like Don Philpott ( if that's his real name barred )his ranting and Trumpism is offensive and I am being trolled !! However Thanks as always ..I love your stuff!

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

1 year ago #33

#35
Neil, thank you for sharing your experience at first hand with recruitment sites. Fortunately, I never needed to use their services. Your last sentence describes very well why many of us will maintain a presence on this platform. :)

Neil Smith

Neil Smith

1 year ago #32

Like many on here I make no use of the recruitment aspect of Bebee so can't pass judgement . My exposure to the writing community on here is quite small but interesting and informative. I can say though that my experience of several other recruitment sites would be exactly as you have described in your article . Many are used by recruiters to fish for clients on both sides of the hiring line but they do little for either party. I suspect that most of us will maintain a presence here as a nod to the early ethos and for want of an alternative which replicates that atmosphere .

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #31

#32
Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic I thank you for the compliment ;~) It was your post that promoted me to look further This bee is way to curios ... have been under the influence of cats for decades ;~) I have done much research related to the employment industry ... the "world-of-work" is universal & fascinating to me;~) I developed the practice of understanding how the companies I worked with operated (the larger the corporation ... multiple complexities) I found this interesting: LinkedIn makes nothing or next to nothing from 99% of its members; the 22,000 corporate clients and approximately 500,000 premium memberships make up more than 75% of total revenue. That is the KEY for beBee ... develop corporate clients ... convert "premium memberships" ... SIMPLE ... but not easy ;~) Bottom line for most bees that are engaged here ... is not founded on beBee reputation But that of the BEES: "bee-fellowship & bee-industry" May it sweetly be ;~)

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

1 year ago #30

#25
#26 #27 Fay, first, I admire your ability to write long but meaningful comments that are worth a post. I am not familiar with how companies like LI make money, and that subject is not of my great interest. Anyone who runs a business is faced with the risks and sacrifices to survive. Generating a profit for the owners and shareholders is the main goal, but profit should be based on ethical business practices also. Since we are only users/consumers of the blogging platform, we know nothing about that other side of the company business. Job seekers are often desperate people and very sensitive to unethical recruiting practices such as posting fake jobs. As a consumer of the blogging platform (not a job seeker, fortunately), I can only repeat what I previously said, that I will continue to enjoy the unique blogging experience and engaging discussions with my beBee friends.

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

1 year ago #29

#28
Thank you, Ian, for engaging with my post. :) I understand you completely. As for writing, I'm far less active than you. A writer in me, who woke up four years ago just on beBee, has nothing to say for a long time. :)

John Rylance

John Rylance

1 year ago #28

#28
I believe if you've something to say/write then say/write it. there's always someone out there whose reading/hearing it for the first time.

Franci 馃悵Eugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador

I don't care about the reviews on Wikipedia or any other site. I enjoy the people, the articles, and discussions. I am grateful that Javier \ud83d\udc1d CR has continued to keep it going.

Ian Weinberg

Ian Weinberg

1 year ago #26

I have thoroughly enjoyed the beBee experience. There have been great articles, lively debate and many a warm connection made and sustained to the present time. And while we鈥檝e had our tense moments, we鈥檝e had lots of fun. I鈥檓 grateful to Javier \ud83d\udc1d CR for creating this opportunity for engaging again. Stay well.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #25

Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic (part 3) Bottom Line A few things stand out about the LinkedIn business model: 1. LinkedIn makes nothing or next to nothing from 99% of its members; the 22,000 corporate clients and approximately 500,000 premium memberships make up more than 75% of total revenue. 2. There exists significant potential in the display advertising business, though optimizing the ad revenue may cannibalize other more profitable areas of the business. 3. LinkedIn is a great example of a 鈥渇reemium鈥 business model; most of the site and features are available free of charge to all users, with value-added premium products available only to paying customers. "Dear Bee keeper" ... Do not be a sleeper Wake-up ... be AWARE .. please take good care Lest BEWARE & scare Make joining RARE ;~) The "good" news is that a "bad" reputation can be improved It takes time and intent ... honest direction You have SWEET support from uncounted bees ;~)

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #24

Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic (part 2) 鈥淲hen attempting to monetize a website with an existing traffic base, one of our golden rules is, 鈥淒on鈥檛 try to reinvent the wheel.鈥 In other words, it鈥檚 probably not a good use of time to seek out new, creative ways for your site to make money; there are hundreds of thousands of websites out there already that are already using a wide variety of monetization tactics. If you鈥檙e trying to make money from a site, you should always have your 鈥渕onetization hat鈥 on. Whenever you visit a site, take note of the strategies they鈥檙e using to make money, and consider whether that approach may be useful for you. There is a short & long answer in the article Here is the short: LinkedIn (LNKD) makes money primarily from providing the corporate recruiting departments of large companies with access to job candidates through its LinkedIn Recruiter product. The company also generates revenue from display ad sales and sales of its premium membership products to individuals (from 2013 SEC filing) LinkedIn makes about $26.5 million per month from its premium subscription business. If we assume that the average monthly fee is about $50, that means that there are 532,000 or so members who pay to upgrade to the premium tier. Again, that鈥檚 a very small portion of the total membership base鈥搊nly about 0.2% of the 260 million or so total members.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #23

#18
Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic The bees who value beBee ... are the most engaged We all want beBee to find solutions to SUCCEED Having worked 18 years in the staffing industry ... I can attest how radically the Internet transformed the world of work ... especially as regards recruitment Entities like LI ... beBee were created in the process ... the potential for success is universally GREAT Technology & implementation are just 2 KEYS This platform is similar to LI ... I share the following with the HOPE that it is read by ... considered by the Founders, KEY bees ... so as to find solutions to SUCCEED Javier \ud83d\udc1d CR Do Not reinvent the wheel ... go and do likewise ... just DO it BETTER 鈥淵ou have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else.鈥 ~ Albert Einstein Google: How does LinkedIn make money? (there are endless posts) I share this link from Monetize Pros ... as they are a good source of information / understanding how companies make money. https://monetizepros.com/monetization-basics/how-does-linkedin-make-money/#:~:text=LinkedIn%20(LNKD)%20makes%20money%20primarily,premium%20membership%20products%20to%20individuals. (part 1)

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

1 year ago #22

#23
Don, first, I'm not an academic and certainly not all academics are "useful idiots", as said in the introduction to your article posted by Tracy Beanz on Twitter. Maybe at Berkeley. :) I tried to gather more information about you and it's very hard because another Don Philpott appears who wrote more than 200 books (so far). Your account on Twitter suspended because of violating the Twitter Rules. Your profile on LI is not available. At your beBee profile, you said you work at AD 360. I read your last post "What is the point of long-form content?" on AD 360 where you mentioned beBee, written more than two and a half years ago. So, who are you, and why you enjoy going down on everyone?

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

1 year ago #21

#20
Me neither, Ken, and I don't know anything about the recruitment business. I thought it would be an interesting topic to discuss. In today's world information on almost everything is readily available, whether we like it or not. According to what Jerry said, beBee has proven to be resilient, and I wish them to continue to thrive. We all hear about Facebook privacy scandals, but users turn a blind eye, and the social network continues to grow. Although the recruiting is now the core of the beBee company, the unique blogging platform is what many of us still keeps here. So, I will join you in sticking my head in the sand and turning a blind eye. :-)

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

1 year ago #20

Oh, be on Facebook, Twitter or LinkedIn, Or be on any site that interests you. But, be on beBee for more excitement, For more rank engagement and visibility. And bees create hives, and they buzz and hum To make vivid, cheery remarks and replies At times, bees make impressive buzzes relevant, And share sensibly to other distinct hives. Aha鈥eBee is so attractive, influencing and stimulating With its unique bright and shimmering orange color. See, how beBee has grown from Europe to Latin America, And spreading more from Americas to Asia-Pacific Now, with more momentum and propensities moving ahead To swarm everywhere in this little, global village.

Ken Boddie

Ken Boddie

1 year ago #19

I have never used the recruitment part of beBee, Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic鈥檚 explanation in #17 appears to make sense in this regard but I have no wish to engage in what the upper echelon need to do in order to survive Call me an ostrich with my head in the sand, but I will continue to use the still unique blogging side of beBee while I still have an appreciative audience and while people of substance and skill, such as yourself and Jerry, also choose to contribute posts of interest and diversity.

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

1 year ago #18

#17
Thank you, Jerry, for the additional explanation. I'm glad founders decided not to shut down.

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

1 year ago #17

#13
Thank you, Fay. It seems we are both courageous if the "courage" is needed for writing and commenting about the bad reputation of beBee in terms of the recruiting. As you said, recruitment drives revenues. Professional behaviour and data are worth billions to businesses. Two years ago, Juan Imaz wrote about Profede and blockchain and what they could mean for recruitment. All of that is not important for all of us who use beBee as a blogging platform. An article on Wikipedia about beBee as a scam website intrigued me, and I wanted to share it. In the "old days", we were able to distribute an original article through the hives. Now I have to write more than 200 words to discuss the topic. :)

Jerry Fletcher

Jerry Fletcher

1 year ago #16

Lada, I met with one of the founders while in Madrid last year. In simple terms, they did not get funded as expected and had to decide whether or not to shut down. They had the courage to stay in business and do what was necessary to stay alive. Hence the recruiting/placement emphasis which is now the core of the company. They are also using their knowledge of international markets in other ways. All to generate the cash to keep a global company afloat and to provide the forum a few of us truly enjoy being a part of. And so it goes.

Ali 馃悵 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#13
Fay Vietmeier My friend- I share exactly the hope you expressed ... we would hope ... beBee ... would fly differently ;~)

Ali 馃悵 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#14
Fay Vietmeier Like you,my dear friend, I tried several times to contact beBee and tag the management, but in vain. beBee is a platform that I have published on more than 300 posts and I want it to prosper and not to retreat. I hope the management would listen to what my friend Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic discussed in her post. It is a call of sincerity

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #13

#1
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee I agree with the word you choose my dear Professor "alarming" ... perhaps being an "Ambassador" and most esteemed "bee" ... might you gain the ear of the "bee keeper" ? ... All the "Ambassadors" ... might you be a force to be reckoned with to advocate for this platform? ... I have tried contacting beBee support at various times ... for various reasons ... just never heard back ... which does not bode well for COLLABORATION I would venture to express that ALL engaged "bees" VALUE beBee and want it to succeed ... SWEETLY ;~) What can we do?

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #12

Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic Your are a courageous "bee" Lada ;~) I must confess that I saw the VERY negative review(s) about beBee ... some time last year Having worked in the employment industry for 18 years ... I am very aware of recruiting practices : "the good ... the bad & the ugly" "SCAM" is a terrible banner for any business of "salt" or HONEY to fly under ... I would venture that most "bees" are unaware of the BAD reputation of beBee (as regards the recruiting) I would presume that recruitment drives revenues ... as it does with LinkedIn Plus the encouragement to be a "platinum" member (for a fee of course) Every entity has to buy bread ;~) ... but and any reputable entity ... we would hope ... beBee ... would fly differently ;~) "Dear Bee keeper" ... Do not be a sleeper Wake-up ... be AWARE .. please take good care Lest BEWARE & scare Make joining RARE ;~) I choose to ignore the BAD reputation and "SCAM" warning Like many other "BEES" ... I find great value in the IDEAS & Inspirations ... and sweet bee-fellowship ;~) Could not state more richly that here: "Field of Bees" https://www.bebee.com/producer/@fay-vietmeier-pennsylvania/the-pearl-holder-and-the-field-of-bees THIS is something to recognize ... promote ... and BUILD upon Javier \ud83d\udc1d CR SWEET Loyalty, RICH content ... IDEAD & Creativity, "Bee-chemistry , Bee-industry & Bee-fellowship" THIS is something to BUILD upon GENUINE ... AUTHENTIC ... of great VALUE

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

1 year ago #11

#9
Thank you for answering my question, John. Bloggers on beBee obviously live in a parallel universe and don't know anything about the Job Searching & Social Recruiting service that rated beBee badly.

Mark Blevins

Mark Blevins

1 year ago #10

I don't know about the job posting part of the Bebee platform. That's something the people who run it have to sort out.

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

1 year ago #9

#8
John, I am glad to see your comment. I consider myself a part of that core user base. :)

John Rylance

John Rylance

1 year ago #8

I must admit the beBee as portrayed by Wikipedia is not the one I recognise or love. I will continue to participate in the beBee in my world, and leave the other in its parallel universe, and hope it doesn't try to take mine over. If it does I will leave and be social elsewhere. I've never seen any job descriptions on beBee, mind you I've never really looked for any, too busy enjoying the honey produced in all the hives that interest me.

John White, MBA

John White, MBA

1 year ago #7

We had so much momentum and promise. Makes me sad if I think about it. Glad the platform still has a core user base.

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

1 year ago #6

#6
Don, we all know that anyone can create and edit existing articles on Wikipedia, and volunteers or "Wikipedian" do not need to have any formal training. As for my post, Wikipedia was not the only source. I am far from being naive and never took seriously social media especially because I don't need to use social networks for business, but only as a pastime. :)

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

1 year ago #5

#2
I agree that Wikipedia is not a fountain of all knowledge as many think, and I always look for references and reliable sources which are listed at the bottom of each article that can verify the content in question. I'm not sure that Wikipedia is far more scammy that any SM but I respect your opinion.

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

Lada 馃彙 Prkic

1 year ago #4

#1
Thanks, Ali. Despite negative reviews about beBee on different websites, I tried to focus on the blogging side of the platform and the (small) engaging community that keeps me here. There's a lot of room for improvement, but I don't expect things are going to change much.

Ali 馃悵 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#2
Zacharias \ud83d\udc1d Voulgaris I would like to know my friend.I use Wikipedia occasionally and I am alert to your comment.

Zacharias 馃悵 Voulgaris

In my experience, Wikipedia is far more scammy (and spammy) than any SM platform I've come across...

Ali 馃悵 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic It is a paradox that I like your post instead of the alarming signal it sends. I must say I share ALL your impressions that you have. I voice also the retreating discussions and the comments that promote services on intellectual posts without being able to delete them. I do hope that beBee be more attentive to your post.

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